Comments on: Designers and Developers, Why Can’t We All Just Get Along? http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/ The Web Practitioner's Blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Arun Pattnaik http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-16828 Arun Pattnaik Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:38:36 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-16828 Fantastic article. Here is what I think: 1. I am a designer who knows a bit of coding. Does it make me a better designer to work with? Maybe yes, since I can keep in mind what's doable and what's not. 2. I'd agree with Duncan, doesn't make much sense to me either. 4. I'd convince them to keep redesigning as and when it is required. There are things which can be designed, but can affect usability and/or create programming issues. The designers should be patient enough to understand the situation and act smartly. 6. To attach a quick document about the details of the design. e.g. how does the menu look like when hovered, what's the submenu structure, what slides and what scrolls, a modal window, a lightbox. 7. As soon as the initial design drafts are being prepared. i.e before it even leaves the designer's desk. That would save a lot of time and effort. 8. A more ideal candidate would be the one who knows a bit of both design and development. 9. Easy, make him sit next to the lead designer when you ask questions ;) 10. Answer to #7 works for this one too. btw, I'd love to see the video too. Fantastic article. Here is what I think:

1. I am a designer who knows a bit of coding. Does it make me a better designer to work with? Maybe yes, since I can keep in mind what’s doable and what’s not.
2. I’d agree with Duncan, doesn’t make much sense to me either.
4. I’d convince them to keep redesigning as and when it is required. There are things which can be designed, but can affect usability and/or create programming issues. The designers should be patient enough to understand the situation and act smartly.
6. To attach a quick document about the details of the design. e.g. how does the menu look like when hovered, what’s the submenu structure, what slides and what scrolls, a modal window, a lightbox.
7. As soon as the initial design drafts are being prepared. i.e before it even leaves the designer’s desk. That would save a lot of time and effort.
8. A more ideal candidate would be the one who knows a bit of both design and development.
9. Easy, make him sit next to the lead designer when you ask questions ;)
10. Answer to #7 works for this one too.

btw, I’d love to see the video too.

]]> By: Paul Parson http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-13918 Paul Parson Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:17:40 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-13918 The Designer v. Developer clash comes from a differing perspective on the web. The Designer, in his corner, is an optimist about what can be done. While the Developer, in his corner, is a realist about the technological limitations of the web for some users, and of the designer's design. Unfortunately, there is a lot of cross-over in these two fields...but ultimately, the more a designer knows code, and the more a developer understands the experiential value of his code, the fewer rounds that will be needed in this epic battle of geek. The Designer v. Developer clash comes from a differing perspective on the web. The Designer, in his corner, is an optimist about what can be done. While the Developer, in his corner, is a realist about the technological limitations of the web for some users, and of the designer’s design.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of cross-over in these two fields…but ultimately, the more a designer knows code, and the more a developer understands the experiential value of his code, the fewer rounds that will be needed in this epic battle of geek.

]]> By: sohbet http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7959 sohbet Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:15:11 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7959 thanks admin good post thanks admin good post

]]> By: web trafficker http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7958 web trafficker Sat, 23 May 2009 02:47:37 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7958 developer and designers agree sometimes, only after a 24 hour debate. this is can never be questioned anymore. but you ca actually add up both ideas to make a more functional web right? developer and designers agree sometimes, only after a 24 hour debate. this is can never be questioned anymore. but you ca actually add up both ideas to make a more functional web right?

]]> By: Ivydesigns http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7957 Ivydesigns Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:17:11 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7957 I'd heartily disagree with you. A designer with 'web' in front of their name ought to at best be a competent front-end developer in a pinch. I can design in a pinch, so I think my vantage point is fair. I'd heartily disagree with you. A designer with 'web' in front of their name ought to at best be a competent front-end developer in a pinch. I can design in a pinch, so I think my vantage point is fair.

]]> By: Ivydesigns http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30181 Ivydesigns Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:17:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30181 I'd heartily disagree with you. A designer with 'web' in front of their name ought to at best be a competent front-end developer in a pinch. I can design in a pinch, so I think my vantage point is fair. I'd heartily disagree with you. A designer with 'web' in front of their name ought to at best be a competent front-end developer in a pinch. I can design in a pinch, so I think my vantage point is fair.

]]> By: golfman_story http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7956 golfman_story Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:00:24 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7956 Great post, really help me alot. Thanks.<br><br><a href="http://sain-web.com" rel="nofollow">http://sain-web.com</a> Great post, really help me alot. Thanks.

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]]> By: golfman_story http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30180 golfman_story Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30180 Great post, really help me alot. Thanks.<a href="http://sain-web.com" rel="nofollow">http://sain-web.com</a> Great post, really help me alot. Thanks.http://sain-web.com

]]> By: Harry Johnson http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7955 Harry Johnson Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:46:43 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7955 A designer and a developer are like the beauty and the brains of any website. If you want a smart and attractive website, you need both.<br><br>Designers and developers need to realise that without each other their sites are either bimbos or nerds.<br><br>Come together and recognise the beauty and elegance in what each of both of you do. A designer and a developer are like the beauty and the brains of any website. If you want a smart and attractive website, you need both.

Designers and developers need to realise that without each other their sites are either bimbos or nerds.

Come together and recognise the beauty and elegance in what each of both of you do.

]]> By: Harry Johnson http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30179 Harry Johnson Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:46:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30179 A designer and a developer are like the beauty and the brains of any website. If you want a smart and attractive website, you need both.Designers and developers need to realise that without each other their sites are either bimbos or nerds.Come together and recognise the beauty and elegance in what each of both of you do. A designer and a developer are like the beauty and the brains of any website. If you want a smart and attractive website, you need both.Designers and developers need to realise that without each other their sites are either bimbos or nerds.Come together and recognise the beauty and elegance in what each of both of you do.

]]> By: pixelita http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7954 pixelita Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:59:44 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7954 We must be odd ducks here. I am mostly a coder, but I understand design (and CSS and HTML obviously). My partner, the graphic artist, does all the design work, but he must understand CSS and HTML pretty darn well because I've never encountered a comp of his that I haven't been able to slice and mortise to whatever CMS we are using at the time. <br><br>I don't understand why there needs to be so much friction. But yes, I do think that designers (read: graphic artists) and developers (read: code jockeys) need a passing familiarity with one another's work (and don't most "web designers" know both?) so that the designer doesn't create a comp that is completely unworkable in CSS. ("You can't get there from here!"), some kind of Escher-ish monster that defies all laws of HTML and CSS as we know them. <br><br>I rely on my partner's design eye to come up with and execute concepts, to make our clients' visions come alive. He relies on me to add those little touches with CSS to pull everything together so that it's one solid package. (I guess I better kiss my partner, huh, since the article portrays designers and developers as fighting like two cats in a sack.) We must be odd ducks here. I am mostly a coder, but I understand design (and CSS and HTML obviously). My partner, the graphic artist, does all the design work, but he must understand CSS and HTML pretty darn well because I've never encountered a comp of his that I haven't been able to slice and mortise to whatever CMS we are using at the time.

I don't understand why there needs to be so much friction. But yes, I do think that designers (read: graphic artists) and developers (read: code jockeys) need a passing familiarity with one another's work (and don't most “web designers” know both?) so that the designer doesn't create a comp that is completely unworkable in CSS. (“You can't get there from here!”), some kind of Escher-ish monster that defies all laws of HTML and CSS as we know them.

I rely on my partner's design eye to come up with and execute concepts, to make our clients' visions come alive. He relies on me to add those little touches with CSS to pull everything together so that it's one solid package. (I guess I better kiss my partner, huh, since the article portrays designers and developers as fighting like two cats in a sack.)

]]> By: pixelita http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30178 pixelita Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:59:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30178 We must be odd ducks here. I am mostly a coder, but I understand design (and CSS and HTML obviously). My partner, the graphic artist, does all the design work, but he must understand CSS and HTML pretty darn well because I've never encountered a comp of his that I haven't been able to slice and mortise to whatever CMS we are using at the time. I don't understand why there needs to be so much friction. But yes, I do think that designers (read: graphic artists) and developers (read: code jockeys) need a passing familiarity with one another's work (and don't most "web designers" know both?) so that the designer doesn't create a comp that is completely unworkable in CSS. ("You can't get there from here!"), some kind of Escher-ish monster that defies all laws of HTML and CSS as we know them. I rely on my partner's design eye to come up with and execute concepts, to make our clients' visions come alive. He relies on me to add those little touches with CSS to pull everything together so that it's one solid package. (I guess I better kiss my partner, huh, since the article portrays designers and developers as fighting like two cats in a sack.) We must be odd ducks here. I am mostly a coder, but I understand design (and CSS and HTML obviously). My partner, the graphic artist, does all the design work, but he must understand CSS and HTML pretty darn well because I've never encountered a comp of his that I haven't been able to slice and mortise to whatever CMS we are using at the time. I don't understand why there needs to be so much friction. But yes, I do think that designers (read: graphic artists) and developers (read: code jockeys) need a passing familiarity with one another's work (and don't most “web designers” know both?) so that the designer doesn't create a comp that is completely unworkable in CSS. (“You can't get there from here!”), some kind of Escher-ish monster that defies all laws of HTML and CSS as we know them. I rely on my partner's design eye to come up with and execute concepts, to make our clients' visions come alive. He relies on me to add those little touches with CSS to pull everything together so that it's one solid package. (I guess I better kiss my partner, huh, since the article portrays designers and developers as fighting like two cats in a sack.)

]]> By: Phil Cook http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7950 Phil Cook Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:48:56 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7950 As a front end developer I always try to fit as much of the designers needs as I can however there are times when designers need to know the limitations of the web. Using full background images of a nice pretty beach are ok but the load on the server when you are receiving in excess of a million unique visitors a day will take its toll. As a front end developer I always try to fit as much of the designers needs as I can however there are times when designers need to know the limitations of the web. Using full background images of a nice pretty beach are ok but the load on the server when you are receiving in excess of a million unique visitors a day will take its toll.

]]> By: Tom http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7953 Tom Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:56:56 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7953 When it comes to situations like this, the number one thing that makes any project successful is communication.<br><br>Everything else can be worked through if communication is solid... When it comes to situations like this, the number one thing that makes any project successful is communication.

Everything else can be worked through if communication is solid…

]]> By: Tom http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30177 Tom Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30177 When it comes to situations like this, the number one thing that makes any project successful is communication.Everything else can be worked through if communication is solid... When it comes to situations like this, the number one thing that makes any project successful is communication.Everything else can be worked through if communication is solid…

]]> By: web design http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7952 web design Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:13:20 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7952 A web designer doesn't really need to know any coding at all. As long as they can efficiently work in photoshop to create a sliced layout that's really all they need to do.. Of course it helps if they have strong knowledge of HTML/CSS but they can survive without.<br><br>Developers is another story. Ever work with a developer who has no clue what the word design means? It's the most frustrating experience ever. A web designer doesn't really need to know any coding at all. As long as they can efficiently work in photoshop to create a sliced layout that's really all they need to do.. Of course it helps if they have strong knowledge of HTML/CSS but they can survive without.

Developers is another story. Ever work with a developer who has no clue what the word design means? It's the most frustrating experience ever.

]]> By: web design http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30176 web design Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:13:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30176 A web designer doesn't really need to know any coding at all. As long as they can efficiently work in photoshop to create a sliced layout that's really all they need to do.. Of course it helps if they have strong knowledge of HTML/CSS but they can survive without.Developers is another story. Ever work with a developer who has no clue what the word design means? It's the most frustrating experience ever. A web designer doesn't really need to know any coding at all. As long as they can efficiently work in photoshop to create a sliced layout that's really all they need to do.. Of course it helps if they have strong knowledge of HTML/CSS but they can survive without.Developers is another story. Ever work with a developer who has no clue what the word design means? It's the most frustrating experience ever.

]]> By: MTB Rider http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7951 MTB Rider Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:14:10 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7951 yeah I would watch a video. It is interesting to hear both sides. yeah I would watch a video. It is interesting to hear both sides.

]]> By: Dee http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7949 Dee Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:04:03 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7949 There was some really good discussion on this article, prior to the thinkvitamin re-design. Have all of those comments dissolved into the abyss of the Intertubes, or do you have them archived somewhere? There was some really good discussion on this article, prior to the thinkvitamin re-design. Have all of those comments dissolved into the abyss of the Intertubes, or do you have them archived somewhere?

]]> By: akahn http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7948 akahn Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:24:32 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7948 Is there video of this session? Is there video of this session?

]]> By: Duncan Macdonald http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-7947 Duncan Macdonald Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:01:14 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-7947 This one completely befuddled me, I'm a creative designer, and maybe I'm being "blonde", but I can't make sense of this:<br><br>"Designers: Developers don’t like you because you represent Work and don’t see why said work is wholly necessary. Developers: Designers are scared of you because you are the gatekeeper. This is the dynamic. Discuss."<br><br>Yeh. Doesn't mean a thing to me. It's definitely not the dynamic I've experienced. This one completely befuddled me, I'm a creative designer, and maybe I'm being “blonde”, but I can't make sense of this:

“Designers: Developers don’t like you because you represent Work and don’t see why said work is wholly necessary. Developers: Designers are scared of you because you are the gatekeeper. This is the dynamic. Discuss.”

Yeh. Doesn't mean a thing to me. It's definitely not the dynamic I've experienced.

]]> By: Duncan Macdonald http://thinkvitamin.com/design/designers-and-developers-why-can%e2%80%99t-we-all-just-get-along/#comment-30171 Duncan Macdonald Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/designers-and-developers-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along#comment-30171 This one completely befuddled me, I'm a creative designer, and maybe I'm being "blonde", but I can't make sense of this:"Designers: Developers don’t like you because you represent Work and don’t see why said work is wholly necessary. Developers: Designers are scared of you because you are the gatekeeper. This is the dynamic. Discuss."Yeh. Doesn't mean a thing to me. It's definitely not the dynamic I've experienced. This one completely befuddled me, I'm a creative designer, and maybe I'm being “blonde”, but I can't make sense of this:”Designers: Developers don’t like you because you represent Work and don’t see why said work is wholly necessary. Developers: Designers are scared of you because you are the gatekeeper. This is the dynamic. Discuss.”Yeh. Doesn't mean a thing to me. It's definitely not the dynamic I've experienced.

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