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		<title>By: Kimberley Camera</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-18370</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberley Camera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great information! It&#039;s always interesting to see how others go through the creative process. I&#039;m going to put a lot of this to use right away! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information! It&#8217;s always interesting to see how others go through the creative process. I&#8217;m going to put a lot of this to use right away! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Hargreaves</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Hargreaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It almost feels like I have written this post myself, I&#039;m obviously on the same wave length.

I think the earlier stages of a project are most important, basically just sitting in your desired environment thinking about the project. Whether it is in silence or chilling to your favourite tunes on your iPod, outlining the details of the project in your mind before you put pen to paper does help.

With experience you start to think differently. I think the most important key to a successful web design is a futureproof design.

Make sure at the early stages you consider things like, what will happen to the design if the client adds more content or more products to the site?. Things like this can become a ball ache at later stages if not thought about upfront.

I wont waffel on any more :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It almost feels like I have written this post myself, I&#8217;m obviously on the same wave length.</p>
<p>I think the earlier stages of a project are most important, basically just sitting in your desired environment thinking about the project. Whether it is in silence or chilling to your favourite tunes on your iPod, outlining the details of the project in your mind before you put pen to paper does help.</p>
<p>With experience you start to think differently. I think the most important key to a successful web design is a futureproof design.</p>
<p>Make sure at the early stages you consider things like, what will happen to the design if the client adds more content or more products to the site?. Things like this can become a ball ache at later stages if not thought about upfront.</p>
<p>I wont waffel on any more :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jelle Desramaults</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jelle Desramaults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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  going for a run with some tunes for company gives me a ton of ideas
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Amen! Going for a (long) run is a big creativity boost. Ide

Maybe I should buy a little 80s tape recorder and start recording all my ideas whilst running.
If it works for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2146015488/ch0009681&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;special agent cooper&lt;/a&gt;, works for me! :)

Helpfull post!
I&quot;d love to see some of the &quot;sketches&quot; metioned above by other commenters.</description>
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  going for a run with some tunes for company gives me a ton of ideas
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<p>Amen! Going for a (long) run is a big creativity boost. Ide</p>
<p>Maybe I should buy a little 80s tape recorder and start recording all my ideas whilst running.<br />
If it works for <a href="http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2146015488/ch0009681" rel="nofollow">special agent cooper</a>, works for me! :)</p>
<p>Helpfull post!<br />
I&#8221;d love to see some of the &#8220;sketches&#8221; metioned above by other commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and nice to know other designers face the same issues as you. I agree totally with your approach having gone down the route of jumping straight into Fireworks and then getting stuck.

One other approach I use uis to right out some simple personas of the people the site is targetting along with some keywords or concepts that relate to them. This way you can bear in mind their needs as you design.

I also find creating basic HTML wireframes of the design helps to clarify and layout issues or porportions and also speeds up the build later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and nice to know other designers face the same issues as you. I agree totally with your approach having gone down the route of jumping straight into Fireworks and then getting stuck.</p>
<p>One other approach I use uis to right out some simple personas of the people the site is targetting along with some keywords or concepts that relate to them. This way you can bear in mind their needs as you design.</p>
<p>I also find creating basic HTML wireframes of the design helps to clarify and layout issues or porportions and also speeds up the build later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Marks</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi great post Mike, I would totally agree with all your points and would even go as far as saying that sketching out prior to doing anything is a PRIORITY !!! I&#039;ve often found myself stuck staring at my screen with a deadline rapidly approaching cause I&#039;ve created a cool looking masthead but I haven&#039;t planned what&#039;s going below and how. Sketching ideas out makes life so much easier when it comes to creating a visual.

On bigger projects I then go from sketches to wireframes, I find these are a great help when various process and huge amounts of content need to be considered, obviously there might be time constraints that affect this..

Good stuff Mike, and I&#039;ll keep my eye out for more from you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi great post Mike, I would totally agree with all your points and would even go as far as saying that sketching out prior to doing anything is a PRIORITY !!! I&#8217;ve often found myself stuck staring at my screen with a deadline rapidly approaching cause I&#8217;ve created a cool looking masthead but I haven&#8217;t planned what&#8217;s going below and how. Sketching ideas out makes life so much easier when it comes to creating a visual.</p>
<p>On bigger projects I then go from sketches to wireframes, I find these are a great help when various process and huge amounts of content need to be considered, obviously there might be time constraints that affect this..</p>
<p>Good stuff Mike, and I&#8217;ll keep my eye out for more from you!</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie Kavanagh</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator>Ollie Kavanagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sketching out rough designs is something that is so often overlooked in the design process. Due to the demands of some working environments it can become almost impossible to plan and sketch out your ideas before hitting the computer.

It is something that I have been guilty of in the past as I guess a lot of us are. It can often be difficult to convince some bosses we need planning time before execution as personally I find my work becomes stifiled and uncreative just relying on the computer. I always now carry around my sketchbook again to make sure I don&#039;t fall into that trap. It is so refreshing getting away from the computer for inspiration!

Good post Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sketching out rough designs is something that is so often overlooked in the design process. Due to the demands of some working environments it can become almost impossible to plan and sketch out your ideas before hitting the computer.</p>
<p>It is something that I have been guilty of in the past as I guess a lot of us are. It can often be difficult to convince some bosses we need planning time before execution as personally I find my work becomes stifiled and uncreative just relying on the computer. I always now carry around my sketchbook again to make sure I don&#8217;t fall into that trap. It is so refreshing getting away from the computer for inspiration!</p>
<p>Good post Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Simple</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite design techniques actually starts withfirst considering the audience of the website and then looking at sites I feel target that age group well. Not only websites but sometimes also magazines etc. If you design without a concept of what works for that age group I think it is easy to get lost. This doesn&#039;t always apply but I have found it a useful tool recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite design techniques actually starts withfirst considering the audience of the website and then looking at sites I feel target that age group well. Not only websites but sometimes also magazines etc. If you design without a concept of what works for that age group I think it is easy to get lost. This doesn&#8217;t always apply but I have found it a useful tool recently.</p>
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		<title>By: wez</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>wez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike - great post.  Helps to hear someone else works in a similar way to me, nice to know your not alone sometimes!

I&#039;d introduce a fireworks stage after the design in photoshop stage.  Fireworks is faster for exporting your graphics - as well as optimizing a damn site better than photoshop.  The same export from photoshop can sometimes be double the size of a photoshop export.

Keep truckin dude, loving the work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike &#8211; great post.  Helps to hear someone else works in a similar way to me, nice to know your not alone sometimes!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d introduce a fireworks stage after the design in photoshop stage.  Fireworks is faster for exporting your graphics &#8211; as well as optimizing a damn site better than photoshop.  The same export from photoshop can sometimes be double the size of a photoshop export.</p>
<p>Keep truckin dude, loving the work!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3672</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty helpful. I am in the process of redesigning my website and being a programmer mean I have horrible design technique.

I am quite guilty of just diving into design, and I should truly take a step back and watch the project come together before even touching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty helpful. I am in the process of redesigning my website and being a programmer mean I have horrible design technique.</p>
<p>I am quite guilty of just diving into design, and I should truly take a step back and watch the project come together before even touching it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post,

I often find my design process makes the biggest developments when I get onto photoshop and start making the first mockups.

Playing around with different colours and shapes usually gives me a lot of ideas and inspiration, more so than looking at other peoples designs and sketching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post,</p>
<p>I often find my design process makes the biggest developments when I get onto photoshop and start making the first mockups.</p>
<p>Playing around with different colours and shapes usually gives me a lot of ideas and inspiration, more so than looking at other peoples designs and sketching.</p>
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		<title>By: mike kus</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3671</link>
		<dc:creator>mike kus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys for all your replies. Some really useful stuff in there.

Jason - good point about starting your design with the content. Sort of working from the inside out... I&#039;ve tried this in the past with some good results.

Paul - like your point about keeping it simple for the first proposals you present to a client - makes a lot of sense.

Ryan - Sometimes use a loose grid...really depends on the project.

Maria - love your analogy to the body parts ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys for all your replies. Some really useful stuff in there.</p>
<p>Jason &#8211; good point about starting your design with the content. Sort of working from the inside out&#8230; I&#8217;ve tried this in the past with some good results.</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; like your point about keeping it simple for the first proposals you present to a client &#8211; makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>Ryan &#8211; Sometimes use a loose grid&#8230;really depends on the project.</p>
<p>Maria &#8211; love your analogy to the body parts ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Greene</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m finding that going from sketches on paper (lots of sketches) to (X)HTML/CSS with just layout and typography, and then into Photoshop/Fireworks to &quot;decorate&quot; works the best for me. I try to hold off jumping into Photoshop until I have a good amount of content either fleshed out or at least understood. It&#039;s a pain to simulate content in Photoshop.

So, the bare-bones first version is the skeleton. The content is the meat. The Javascript/back end programming is the muscle. The CSS/images are the skin &amp; clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finding that going from sketches on paper (lots of sketches) to (X)HTML/CSS with just layout and typography, and then into Photoshop/Fireworks to &#8220;decorate&#8221; works the best for me. I try to hold off jumping into Photoshop until I have a good amount of content either fleshed out or at least understood. It&#8217;s a pain to simulate content in Photoshop.</p>
<p>So, the bare-bones first version is the skeleton. The content is the meat. The Javascript/back end programming is the muscle. The CSS/images are the skin &amp; clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Downie</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3669</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Downie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Mike,

Something for to consider to use in my process. I am also trying to nail down one that works as just winging it till it feels right, feels like there is something missing.

Do you use grids at all? Nice to see another designer utilizing what we have on the web. I see of people nowadays a who say they look for inspiration outside of the web and rarely use the web. I feel like this is a valid tool because of the wealth and diversity that we have on the web. Don&#039;t get me wrong I look outside of the web a good deal too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Mike,</p>
<p>Something for to consider to use in my process. I am also trying to nail down one that works as just winging it till it feels right, feels like there is something missing.</p>
<p>Do you use grids at all? Nice to see another designer utilizing what we have on the web. I see of people nowadays a who say they look for inspiration outside of the web and rarely use the web. I feel like this is a valid tool because of the wealth and diversity that we have on the web. Don&#8217;t get me wrong I look outside of the web a good deal too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another source of &#039;inspiration&#039; is the clients current site and marketing materials.They may already have a tone and feel they are portraying which you need to align with. In an ideal world you would also have the intended copy (like that ever happens!). Not so important for in house projects I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another source of &#8216;inspiration&#8217; is the clients current site and marketing materials.They may already have a tone and feel they are portraying which you need to align with. In an ideal world you would also have the intended copy (like that ever happens!). Not so important for in house projects I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Groves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great write up - it can be very easy to get lost on the way and building some structure to the process has to be a good idea!

Two things which I have learnt over time -

1 - If you are designing for a new client/someone else (i.e. you have less autonomy than I imagine you do at Carsonfied for an in-house project) - don&#039;t spend too long on initial designs but get something to look at quick.  In my experience this tends to prompt your client into opening up and telling you what they really do or don&#039;t like. I used to agonise over initial proposals in the hope of bowling over customers only to crash and burn at the first hurdle.  It much easier to talk about an actual visual, especially with clients who nervously give you carte blanche (no brief!) to start with as &quot;you&#039;re the designer&quot;

2 - Present work in a browser.  Ideally build mock ups in xhtml/css or at least export your design as a big image and put in an html file.  This lets the client see the site in a context they understand (most probably WIN IE 6!), on their screen etc.  Opening up your Mac and showing them Fireworks can easily dilute what you want them to look at.

Hope this is of any use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up &#8211; it can be very easy to get lost on the way and building some structure to the process has to be a good idea!</p>
<p>Two things which I have learnt over time -</p>
<p>1 &#8211; If you are designing for a new client/someone else (i.e. you have less autonomy than I imagine you do at Carsonfied for an in-house project) &#8211; don&#8217;t spend too long on initial designs but get something to look at quick.  In my experience this tends to prompt your client into opening up and telling you what they really do or don&#8217;t like. I used to agonise over initial proposals in the hope of bowling over customers only to crash and burn at the first hurdle.  It much easier to talk about an actual visual, especially with clients who nervously give you carte blanche (no brief!) to start with as &#8220;you&#8217;re the designer&#8221;</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Present work in a browser.  Ideally build mock ups in xhtml/css or at least export your design as a big image and put in an html file.  This lets the client see the site in a context they understand (most probably WIN IE 6!), on their screen etc.  Opening up your Mac and showing them Fireworks can easily dilute what you want them to look at.</p>
<p>Hope this is of any use.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Zimdars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Zimdars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that I always seem to have to coach our junior designer is to start with the message and content. So often they call me over to their workstation looking for a critique or an idea and I all I see is the logo in the top left, a place for a menu, and some decorative design elements. And they wonder why they&#039;re stuck.

After I get a concept and maybe rough hierarchy in my sketchbook, my first photoshop comp is black text, a white background and maybe some grey boxes to start forming a grid. Even if I don&#039;t have final content from the client I&#039;ll make it up or use greeking. But I want to know everything that is going to be on the page and start playing around with those relationships. Visual elements then begin to reinforce the hierarchy and those relationships.

This may seem self-evident to many of us, but see it enough that I thought it was worth adding to the discussion here.

Looking forward to what you come up with, Mike. Maybe you can keep us apprised as you go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that I always seem to have to coach our junior designer is to start with the message and content. So often they call me over to their workstation looking for a critique or an idea and I all I see is the logo in the top left, a place for a menu, and some decorative design elements. And they wonder why they&#8217;re stuck.</p>
<p>After I get a concept and maybe rough hierarchy in my sketchbook, my first photoshop comp is black text, a white background and maybe some grey boxes to start forming a grid. Even if I don&#8217;t have final content from the client I&#8217;ll make it up or use greeking. But I want to know everything that is going to be on the page and start playing around with those relationships. Visual elements then begin to reinforce the hierarchy and those relationships.</p>
<p>This may seem self-evident to many of us, but see it enough that I thought it was worth adding to the discussion here.</p>
<p>Looking forward to what you come up with, Mike. Maybe you can keep us apprised as you go?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Mike, thanks.

I definitely agree with each stage, but I would add an amendment to step 3: Turn rough sketches into designs on paper before opening Photoshop/Fireworks. I do mean to say that anyone should produce highly detailed illustrations of their site prior to turning on the mac, but I find that if I do not eliminate design excesses in the drawing stage I end up wasting a lot further down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Mike, thanks.</p>
<p>I definitely agree with each stage, but I would add an amendment to step 3: Turn rough sketches into designs on paper before opening Photoshop/Fireworks. I do mean to say that anyone should produce highly detailed illustrations of their site prior to turning on the mac, but I find that if I do not eliminate design excesses in the drawing stage I end up wasting a lot further down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good design process, I&#039;m trying to follow that same pattern.   The main thing I run into to is time constraints.   What how long should steps 3 - 5 really be taking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good design process, I&#8217;m trying to follow that same pattern.   The main thing I run into to is time constraints.   What how long should steps 3 &#8211; 5 really be taking?</p>
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		<title>By: mike kus</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike kus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - just checkin&#039; out &#039;Flock of Seagulls&#039; album covers and hair cuts - tons of inspiration! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; just checkin&#8217; out &#8216;Flock of Seagulls&#8217; album covers and hair cuts &#8211; tons of inspiration! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mike kus</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3662</link>
		<dc:creator>mike kus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaan - totally... 4b it is :)

Scott - like you I only go so far in photoshop/fireworks before switching to xhtml/css. Besides designing with xhtml/css is loads of fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaan &#8211; totally&#8230; 4b it is :)</p>
<p>Scott &#8211; like you I only go so far in photoshop/fireworks before switching to xhtml/css. Besides designing with xhtml/css is loads of fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan DIneen</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3661</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan DIneen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Great post and an interesting peek inside another designer&#039;s head.

I&#039;d agree with Jaan above in that getting your designs in front of someone else is particularly important once a potential concept starts to take shape. I&#039;m pretty bad at doing it though...

I think point 2 is right on the mark, especially when you talk about deriving inspiration from outside the web. I&#039;d be tempted to suggest that the web should be the last place to look for ideas. Get out of the house (or office) and hit the art galleries, museums, shops and parks for an hour or so and then start sketching.

As for an 80&#039;s album cover style FOWA 2009 - what about Flock of Seagulls as a starting point? Their album covers were appalling but I reckon you could something smart based on &#039;that&#039; haircut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Great post and an interesting peek inside another designer&#8217;s head.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with Jaan above in that getting your designs in front of someone else is particularly important once a potential concept starts to take shape. I&#8217;m pretty bad at doing it though&#8230;</p>
<p>I think point 2 is right on the mark, especially when you talk about deriving inspiration from outside the web. I&#8217;d be tempted to suggest that the web should be the last place to look for ideas. Get out of the house (or office) and hit the art galleries, museums, shops and parks for an hour or so and then start sketching.</p>
<p>As for an 80&#8242;s album cover style FOWA 2009 &#8211; what about Flock of Seagulls as a starting point? Their album covers were appalling but I reckon you could something smart based on &#8216;that&#8217; haircut.</p>
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		<title>By: curtismchale</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This process seems very similar to the process that I use for design inspiration. I also agree with Jaan. I have started passing my design ideas off to others that I trust to ask me some tough questions about the ideas and reasons behind the design. I find for myself that this helps lots in getting a great design quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This process seems very similar to the process that I use for design inspiration. I also agree with Jaan. I have started passing my design ideas off to others that I trust to ask me some tough questions about the ideas and reasons behind the design. I find for myself that this helps lots in getting a great design quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Mallinson</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/design/finding-a-design-process-that-works/#comment-3659</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Mallinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all the points you have outlined above Mike. However out of preference, when I start to work-up the design I use Fireworks simply because I am more familiar with the application that Photoshop or others.

Whilst I like to include real text in my concepts rather than lorum ipsum text, I find that we I get to the point of styling it it&#039;s time to start transferring the design into html and css. I have found that graphics editing applications can&#039;t quite replicate text displayed in the browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all the points you have outlined above Mike. However out of preference, when I start to work-up the design I use Fireworks simply because I am more familiar with the application that Photoshop or others.</p>
<p>Whilst I like to include real text in my concepts rather than lorum ipsum text, I find that we I get to the point of styling it it&#8217;s time to start transferring the design into html and css. I have found that graphics editing applications can&#8217;t quite replicate text displayed in the browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a potential 4b: show the rough work in progress to one or two people whose opinions and feedback you trust/value?</description>
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