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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-40911</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s an important reality we need to think about whenever you talk about this kind of project. Servers are just not designed for images. Sure, php makes a lot of this reletively easy to do. Php can make your web server do a lot of things you might otherwise not think of servers being designed to do. And, imagemagick is nice. Much nicer than GD, especially when you have god-like control of the server you&#039;re on. 

The problem is speed. You could if you wanted to offload the graphics plotting to the browser. I&#039;m not sure which libraries there are out there for this, I&#039;ve always done it by hand, and never on anything as complex as a states map. But I imagine it could be done, if you&#039;re very very patient. Either way though, it&#039;s going to be slow. And even if you could get it to work, you&#039;re going to have issues with the clients you support. IE 6 and 7 are going to kill you for this.

You mentioned SVG. This is a good idea. But why use bitmaps if you don&#039;t have to? With a good SVG editor you can create the shapes you need, and make them change color. It&#039;s actually really simple to do. Integrate the SVG into a php script, and you&#039;re golden.

Hard to say, but a great article nevertheless.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s an important reality we need to think about whenever you talk about this kind of project. Servers are just not designed for images. Sure, php makes a lot of this reletively easy to do. Php can make your web server do a lot of things you might otherwise not think of servers being designed to do. And, imagemagick is nice. Much nicer than GD, especially when you have god-like control of the server you&#8217;re on. </p>
<p>The problem is speed. You could if you wanted to offload the graphics plotting to the browser. I&#8217;m not sure which libraries there are out there for this, I&#8217;ve always done it by hand, and never on anything as complex as a states map. But I imagine it could be done, if you&#8217;re very very patient. Either way though, it&#8217;s going to be slow. And even if you could get it to work, you&#8217;re going to have issues with the clients you support. IE 6 and 7 are going to kill you for this.</p>
<p>You mentioned SVG. This is a good idea. But why use bitmaps if you don&#8217;t have to? With a good SVG editor you can create the shapes you need, and make them change color. It&#8217;s actually really simple to do. Integrate the SVG into a php script, and you&#8217;re golden.</p>
<p>Hard to say, but a great article nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-21426</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  I didn&#039;t realize that jQuery was supported automatically in Wordpress.  I sell an out-of-box Interactive map of the United States.  I used Flash because of greater browser support and speed.  But, this makes the future for non-proprietary maps look promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I didn&#8217;t realize that jQuery was supported automatically in WordPress.  I sell an out-of-box Interactive map of the United States.  I used Flash because of greater browser support and speed.  But, this makes the future for non-proprietary maps look promising.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Miller</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-19909</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now Google has made this kind of visualization (at least simple presentation, without shiny effects like in your final product) easier because you can combine the Google Docs Spreadsheet API and the Google Maps API into one, conveniently with a wizard: http://gmaps-samples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/spreadsheetsmapwizard/makecustommap.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now Google has made this kind of visualization (at least simple presentation, without shiny effects like in your final product) easier because you can combine the Google Docs Spreadsheet API and the Google Maps API into one, conveniently with a wizard: <a href="http://gmaps-samples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/spreadsheetsmapwizard/makecustommap.htm" rel="nofollow">http://gmaps-samples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/spreadsheetsmapwizard/makecustommap.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Radcliffe</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-19025</link>
		<dc:creator>David Radcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work! Works great in FF and Chrome - but in IE8 it is totally broken and if I turn on compatibility mode the hover works but the dial is still dead. (Win7)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work! Works great in FF and Chrome &#8211; but in IE8 it is totally broken and if I turn on compatibility mode the hover works but the dial is still dead. (Win7)</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18837</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is NYC and Long Island part of New Jersey on your map?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is NYC and Long Island part of New Jersey on your map?</p>
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		<title>By: Bartosz Oczujda</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18822</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartosz Oczujda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job :-)

But unfortunately your map doesn&#039;t work in my Firefox :/ (version 3.5.8) The map is invisible it only shows the red outline of the states on mouse over.

The same is with IE8, I can see the map, but it doesn&#039;t do anything on mouse over, and the gauge does not work.

Chrome and Safari are fine :-)

So I guess this is a little to early for jQuery to replace flash. At least flash displays and works consistently across different browsers :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job :-)</p>
<p>But unfortunately your map doesn&#8217;t work in my Firefox :/ (version 3.5.8) The map is invisible it only shows the red outline of the states on mouse over.</p>
<p>The same is with IE8, I can see the map, but it doesn&#8217;t do anything on mouse over, and the gauge does not work.</p>
<p>Chrome and Safari are fine :-)</p>
<p>So I guess this is a little to early for jQuery to replace flash. At least flash displays and works consistently across different browsers :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sinkinson</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18821</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Sinkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic insight into JQuery and SVGs.

I&#039;m actually using a similar approach for my final project at university, creating an interactive map of the building using a similar method to you. Check it out in my link.

As it had to be visible on iPhones, flash wasn&#039;t an option and thanks to Keith Wood&#039;s JQuery SVG plugin and SVG DOM plugin, I can achieve everything flash could do and best of all it is easily maintainable by someone who does not use Flash</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic insight into JQuery and SVGs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually using a similar approach for my final project at university, creating an interactive map of the building using a similar method to you. Check it out in my link.</p>
<p>As it had to be visible on iPhones, flash wasn&#8217;t an option and thanks to Keith Wood&#8217;s JQuery SVG plugin and SVG DOM plugin, I can achieve everything flash could do and best of all it is easily maintainable by someone who does not use Flash</p>
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		<title>By: BigM75</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18809</link>
		<dc:creator>BigM75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post, i like this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post, i like this</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18801</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention: showing love to iPhone/iPod touch/iPad users ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention: showing love to iPhone/iPod touch/iPad users ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Brodigan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18794</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissie Brodigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samantha,

You are spot on, and I have to tell you that the complications of this particular data source are massive. Namely, schools and states don&#039;t report their shortages consistently. What we&#039;re looking at, and working on is estimating shortage based on retiring teachers, age of students (via the census), and the impact of the U.S. economy on those numbers. 

By far, the best data the team has gathered (and continue to evaluate) comes from a report, &quot;Predicting the Need for Newly Hired Teachers in the United States to 2008–09, by William J. Hussar, Economist National Center for Education Statistics&quot;

That said - I&#039;m responsible for the tech elements! But, I&#039;m definitely going to raise your concerns. Can you also connect with me via email?

:)CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha,</p>
<p>You are spot on, and I have to tell you that the complications of this particular data source are massive. Namely, schools and states don&#8217;t report their shortages consistently. What we&#8217;re looking at, and working on is estimating shortage based on retiring teachers, age of students (via the census), and the impact of the U.S. economy on those numbers. </p>
<p>By far, the best data the team has gathered (and continue to evaluate) comes from a report, &#8220;Predicting the Need for Newly Hired Teachers in the United States to 2008–09, by William J. Hussar, Economist National Center for Education Statistics&#8221;</p>
<p>That said &#8211; I&#8217;m responsible for the tech elements! But, I&#8217;m definitely going to raise your concerns. Can you also connect with me via email?</p>
<p>:)CB</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18793</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would worry less about your maps and more about your data. In most of the states I looked at where I have intimate knowledge of hiring needs for teachers your data is not just wrong, but horribly out of date. You have several states listed as in desperate need of teachers that will be laying off thousands of teachers over the next 24 months. You also have outdated salary information as well as failing to mention that in many states teachers will be expected to take anywhere from 10-30% pay cuts over the next two years assuming their contracts can be renegotiated.

One current example is Nevada which you have listed as having an urgent need for teachers. Washoe County School District which you have incorrectly labeled as Reno/Tahoe will likely be losing as many as 1200 teaching positions next year due to short falls in the states general fund and $35-40 million dollars in additional budget cuts on top of the $45 million that has already been cut from the counties budget. Clark County (Las Vegas) is in equally bad shape only is significantly larger and as such will likely see more teachers let go. The only positions that are even close to having an &quot;urgent&quot; need in this entire state are special education positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would worry less about your maps and more about your data. In most of the states I looked at where I have intimate knowledge of hiring needs for teachers your data is not just wrong, but horribly out of date. You have several states listed as in desperate need of teachers that will be laying off thousands of teachers over the next 24 months. You also have outdated salary information as well as failing to mention that in many states teachers will be expected to take anywhere from 10-30% pay cuts over the next two years assuming their contracts can be renegotiated.</p>
<p>One current example is Nevada which you have listed as having an urgent need for teachers. Washoe County School District which you have incorrectly labeled as Reno/Tahoe will likely be losing as many as 1200 teaching positions next year due to short falls in the states general fund and $35-40 million dollars in additional budget cuts on top of the $45 million that has already been cut from the counties budget. Clark County (Las Vegas) is in equally bad shape only is significantly larger and as such will likely see more teachers let go. The only positions that are even close to having an &#8220;urgent&#8221; need in this entire state are special education positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18792</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work. FYI, oklahoma shows up on the map in green but the gauge shows it as yellow. Bug? Firefox/Windows</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work. FYI, oklahoma shows up on the map in green but the gauge shows it as yellow. Bug? Firefox/Windows</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Rijkeboer</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Rijkeboer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read an article last year about how you could create the map in SVG (with colouring) using Python:
http://flowingdata.com/2009/11/12/how-to-make-a-us-county-thematic-map-using-free-tools/

This same technique was also demoed by Simon Willison at the StackOverflow DevDays in Amsterdam. (&quot;Slides&quot;: http://simonwillison.net/2009/talks/devdays-python/)

Only thing to then is use jquery to animated the selected &quot;slices&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article last year about how you could create the map in SVG (with colouring) using Python:<br />
<a href="http://flowingdata.com/2009/11/12/how-to-make-a-us-county-thematic-map-using-free-tools/" rel="nofollow">http://flowingdata.com/2009/11/12/how-to-make-a-us-county-thematic-map-using-free-tools/</a></p>
<p>This same technique was also demoed by Simon Willison at the StackOverflow DevDays in Amsterdam. (&#8220;Slides&#8221;: <a href="http://simonwillison.net/2009/talks/devdays-python/" rel="nofollow">http://simonwillison.net/2009/talks/devdays-python/</a>)</p>
<p>Only thing to then is use jquery to animated the selected &#8220;slices&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Brodigan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18785</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissie Brodigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,

Am humbled. You guys did a smashing job, I don&#039;t think we executed as well as you did, but for a phase 1 we had a great time, learned from mistakes, and owe you for providing the inspiration.

Paths less traveled are a bit less risky when great devs like yourself have shared lessons learned. 

With gratitude,
CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel,</p>
<p>Am humbled. You guys did a smashing job, I don&#8217;t think we executed as well as you did, but for a phase 1 we had a great time, learned from mistakes, and owe you for providing the inspiration.</p>
<p>Paths less traveled are a bit less risky when great devs like yourself have shared lessons learned. </p>
<p>With gratitude,<br />
CB</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Brodigan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18784</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissie Brodigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$%*&amp;! (on it and thanks!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$%*&amp;! (on it and thanks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Brodigan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18783</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissie Brodigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

You make a good point. I have to admit though that the client is a true partner and was totally game for us to experiment, because we had already executed certificationmap.com (another map-driven ed project).

I was fully prepared to be called out ;-) but, I also knew that we could do it and do it with budget. The curve ball was the dependency hell I fell into with the extensions. I wanted to share that back with the community, because it is something to consider if you&#039;re more of a frontend person who finds herself feeling like a Unix admin and cursing about her apartment on a Friday night.

Flash is excellent, I use it a lot, but we did have criteria that made us think jQuery would be the better option.

:-)CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>You make a good point. I have to admit though that the client is a true partner and was totally game for us to experiment, because we had already executed certificationmap.com (another map-driven ed project).</p>
<p>I was fully prepared to be called out ;-) but, I also knew that we could do it and do it with budget. The curve ball was the dependency hell I fell into with the extensions. I wanted to share that back with the community, because it is something to consider if you&#8217;re more of a frontend person who finds herself feeling like a Unix admin and cursing about her apartment on a Friday night.</p>
<p>Flash is excellent, I use it a lot, but we did have criteria that made us think jQuery would be the better option.</p>
<p>:-)CB</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18782</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learning aside, if you couldn&#039;t deliver and the reason you gave the client had the words &quot;alternative&quot; and &quot;flash&quot; in it, you would be called out on it - and you know it.

When the alternative lines up with the development of Flash, then it becomes realistic. There are expectations that live outside this narrative-only utopia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learning aside, if you couldn&#8217;t deliver and the reason you gave the client had the words &#8220;alternative&#8221; and &#8220;flash&#8221; in it, you would be called out on it &#8211; and you know it.</p>
<p>When the alternative lines up with the development of Flash, then it becomes realistic. There are expectations that live outside this narrative-only utopia.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18781</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dial thing isn&#039;t working for me in IE7 on Windows XP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dial thing isn&#8217;t working for me in IE7 on Windows XP.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18780</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrissie,

Thanks so much for the complements! You really took the idea to the next level with this project.  I love the speedometer effect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrissie,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the complements! You really took the idea to the next level with this project.  I love the speedometer effect!</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissie Brodigan</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18779</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissie Brodigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

We did look at a few off the shelf packages, and the only reason we didn&#039;t use ammaps (as just one example) is that we wanted to try to build it ourselves and really did want to experiment with jQuery as a Flash alternative.

Another project of our&#039;s www.certificationmap.com uses ammaps, and it&#039;s great, but we wanted to try a different approach.

Would I do it again? Ummmmm . . . . Well, let&#039;s say I hope some of my mistakes teach me and others that there are better approaches!

Cheers!
CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>We did look at a few off the shelf packages, and the only reason we didn&#8217;t use ammaps (as just one example) is that we wanted to try to build it ourselves and really did want to experiment with jQuery as a Flash alternative.</p>
<p>Another project of our&#8217;s <a href="http://www.certificationmap.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.certificationmap.com</a> uses ammaps, and it&#8217;s great, but we wanted to try a different approach.</p>
<p>Would I do it again? Ummmmm . . . . Well, let&#8217;s say I hope some of my mistakes teach me and others that there are better approaches!</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
CB</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thinkvitamin.com/code/making-interactive-maps-with-jquery/#comment-18776</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read through all of this and your criteria involved, I&#039;m still left wondering why you went this route rather than one of the free, off-the-shelf flash packages like ammaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read through all of this and your criteria involved, I&#8217;m still left wondering why you went this route rather than one of the free, off-the-shelf flash packages like ammaps?</p>
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