Comments on: The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/ The Web Practitioner's Blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: probonoindustry http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-42517 probonoindustry Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:22:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-42517 The cost of installation, licensing (in the case of proprietary systems), and ongoing maintenance tends to be the bulk of the cost in an enterprise-level CMS. Here is a good post I found about that: http://tumblr.com/xjx1wtqi0g The cost of installation, licensing (in the case of proprietary systems), and ongoing maintenance tends to be the bulk of the cost in an enterprise-level CMS. Here is a good post I found about that: http://tumblr.com/xjx1wtqi0g

]]> By: Alex http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-39631 Alex Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:30:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-39631 I have Proofcms which is cost effective and have advanced features. You can manage your website without any other software. The usage of Proofcms is easy and comfortable. http://www.sdplabs.com/proofcms I have Proofcms which is cost effective and have advanced features. You can manage your website without any other software. The usage of Proofcms is easy and comfortable.
http://www.sdplabs.com/proofcms

]]> By: the bro code http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-35932 the bro code Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:26:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-35932 Now this is an interesting post.... I want to thank you for sharing it. Now this is an interesting post…. I want to thank you for sharing it.

]]> By: g headshot http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-35931 g headshot Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:25:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-35931 Thanks for sharing this.... was helpful Thanks for sharing this…. was helpful

]]> By: Frank http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18898 Frank Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:08:08 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18898 I find the existing options in the world of FOSS cms's pretty woeful. I know that a many individuals and communities and put a lot of work into them. But cms creators have tconsistently made interesting decisions that I think are pretty poor. Most cms's out there force you to use an xhtml doctype. But, as we all know, IE can't parse the neccessary MIME type... The insistence on the XHTML also means that the devs will have more work to do in the future that would have been unneccessary if they implemented better templating and editing options. HTML 5 is on the way, and very very few cms's are for it. I find the existing options in the world of FOSS cms’s pretty woeful.

I know that a many individuals and communities and put a lot of work into them.
But cms creators have tconsistently made interesting decisions that I think are pretty poor.

Most cms’s out there force you to use an xhtml doctype. But, as we all know, IE can’t parse the neccessary MIME type…

The insistence on the XHTML also means that the devs will have more work to do in the future that would have been unneccessary if they implemented better templating and editing options. HTML 5 is on the way, and very very few cms’s are for it.

]]> By: Content Management System Blog, Latest news on Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress, Mod-x http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18425 Content Management System Blog, Latest news on Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress, Mod-x Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:58:01 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18425 [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled "The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS" over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a CMS [...] [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled "The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS" over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a CMS [...]

]]> By: The 6 hidden costs of running a DAM system | Digital Asset Management http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18245 The 6 hidden costs of running a DAM system | Digital Asset Management Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:08:25 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18245 [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled “The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS” over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a [...] [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled “The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS” over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a [...]

]]> By: Cigarrest http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-17533 Cigarrest Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:58:53 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-17533 these are probably just the initial costs. there are many more as you start having problems and when you are looking for new features. before launch, training is definitely no 1. these are probably just the initial costs. there are many more as you start having problems and when you are looking for new features.

before launch, training is definitely no 1.

]]> By: R. Knight http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-15026 R. Knight Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:26:43 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-15026 It's very unfortunate that there STILL doesn't seem to be a decent WYSIWYG editor available. This is a big part of the problem of the hidden cost to quality when using a CMS. Even the editors that claim to output only strict XHTML code can usually be made to generate a heap of unnecessary tags and invalid nesting with no trouble at all! Usually all it takes is to reformat things a few times and move elements around on the page a bit (basic stuff clients do all the time) and pretty soon you find div tags nested inside span tags, pairs of tags that apply a style containing repeated tags that undo that style and so on! Sometimes it's completely invalid code, other times it's technically valid but horribly bloated and heaven help you if you need to fix anything manually. Not to mention the bugs they all seem to contain, like where elements which appear to be separate are actually contained inside the same tags so you can't change formatting on one thing without it also applying to something else that's three lines down on the page! I've never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors but sometimes I'm forced to use them and every six months or so I check them all out again - still disappointed so far :( It’s very unfortunate that there STILL doesn’t seem to be a decent WYSIWYG editor available. This is a big part of the problem of the hidden cost to quality when using a CMS. Even the editors that claim to output only strict XHTML code can usually be made to generate a heap of unnecessary tags and invalid nesting with no trouble at all!

Usually all it takes is to reformat things a few times and move elements around on the page a bit (basic stuff clients do all the time) and pretty soon you find div tags nested inside span tags, pairs of tags that apply a style containing repeated tags that undo that style and so on!

Sometimes it’s completely invalid code, other times it’s technically valid but horribly bloated and heaven help you if you need to fix anything manually.

Not to mention the bugs they all seem to contain, like where elements which appear to be separate are actually contained inside the same tags so you can’t change formatting on one thing without it also applying to something else that’s three lines down on the page!

I’ve never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors but sometimes I’m forced to use them and every six months or so I check them all out again – still disappointed so far :(

]]> By: links for 2009-08-11 « innovations in higher education http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-13295 links for 2009-08-11 « innovations in higher education Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:14:30 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-13295 [...] Carsonified " The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (tags: cms training webdev) [...] [...] Carsonified " The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (tags: cms training webdev) [...]

]]> By: Dave http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-13024 Dave Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:23:36 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-13024 I develop with Ruby on Rails. I design a mini-CMS for each of my clients sites that consists of only the things they need to be able to edit or create more of (Blog posts, Client listings, Partner listings). It is really amazing how much they love their sites, and how easy it is for them to do what they want. With RoR, making mini-CMS's is really, really easy. I develop with Ruby on Rails. I design a mini-CMS for each of my clients sites that consists of only the things they need to be able to edit or create more of (Blog posts, Client listings, Partner listings). It is really amazing how much they love their sites, and how easy it is for them to do what they want. With RoR, making mini-CMS’s is really, really easy.

]]> By: Is usability the most important thing for a Web CMS? « Zahoor’s Blog http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-12638 Is usability the most important thing for a Web CMS? « Zahoor’s Blog Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:31:48 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-12638 [...] The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (Paul Boag) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)CMS reviewAbout Web CMS and its requirements… Posted by contenttype Filed in CMS selection, Usability Leave a Comment » [...] [...] The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (Paul Boag) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)CMS reviewAbout Web CMS and its requirements… Posted by contenttype Filed in CMS selection, Usability Leave a Comment » [...]

]]> By: Pregger http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7787 Pregger Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:05:03 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7787 I have been using Joomla for 2 years and it is quite flexible for adding more function. if you are looking for CMS to using for your business pls, have a look at Joomla too. I do agree on hiding costs very much, if you are big site better think carefully which one to choose.. I have been using Joomla for 2 years and it is quite flexible for adding more function. if you are looking for CMS to using for your business pls, have a look at Joomla too.
I do agree on hiding costs very much, if you are big site better think carefully which one to choose..

]]> By: mirc http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7781 mirc Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:33:17 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7781 Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable. Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable.

]]> By: sohbet http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7784 sohbet Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:57:06 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7784 thanks admin good post thanks admin good post

]]> By: Acai Berries http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7779 Acai Berries Mon, 25 May 2009 19:26:08 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7779 I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better. I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better.

]]> By: Allan W. http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7778 Allan W. Tue, 19 May 2009 21:08:36 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7778 Expression Engine, my CMS of choice, mitigates this by extensive intelligent caching of queries, templates, and tags. The benefits of a data-driven site vastly outweigh the costs and lost opportunities of a static site. Expression Engine, my CMS of choice, mitigates this by extensive intelligent caching of queries, templates, and tags. The benefits of a data-driven site vastly outweigh the costs and lost opportunities of a static site.

]]> By: Acai http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7777 Acai Sun, 17 May 2009 17:16:25 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7777 That is something that goes beyond vendor lock-in. Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable. That is something that goes beyond vendor lock-in. Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable.

]]> By: Josh http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7776 Josh Tue, 12 May 2009 15:09:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7776 An additional point on Commitment -- once you implement a CMS for a client they need to be committed to maintaining it. I've implemented Mambo, Joomla, Jamit, Simple Machines, Nukes, X-cart and other CMS-es and script. The two things that always kill me are upgrades to customized sites and security. Simple Machines Forum has the easiest upgradeability. Since these CMS-es are popular they're constantly being hit by robots for vulnerabilities. If you don't upgrade quickly, you're likely to get hit, and upgrades aren't always quick and painless! An additional point on Commitment — once you implement a CMS for a client they need to be committed to maintaining it.

I've implemented Mambo, Joomla, Jamit, Simple Machines, Nukes, X-cart and other CMS-es and script. The two things that always kill me are upgrades to customized sites and security. Simple Machines Forum has the easiest upgradeability. Since these CMS-es are popular they're constantly being hit by robots for vulnerabilities. If you don't upgrade quickly, you're likely to get hit, and upgrades aren't always quick and painless!

]]> By: Resveratrol http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7766 Resveratrol Sat, 02 May 2009 06:04:29 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7766 I agree completely.ome CMS have easy to integrate design, some are a nightmare, so costs can goes up and up. I agree completely.ome CMS have easy to integrate design, some are a nightmare, so costs can goes up and up.

]]> By: i33t http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7775 i33t Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:09:18 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7775 Out of all the Content Management Systems that I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better. Out of all the Content Management Systems that I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better.

]]> By: i33t http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-25837 i33t Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:09:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-25837 Out of all the Content Management Systems that I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better. Out of all the Content Management Systems that I have worked with, Joomla has to be the best by far! It's easy to learn, and there are THOUANDS of extensions, themes, modules and more to make it even better.

]]> By: ryancarson http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7774 ryancarson Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:54:32 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7774 Hey Drew,<br><br>Sorry about that - we had a bug in our 'Related posts' WordPress plugin. We've sorted it out now.<br><br>Best,<br>Ryan Hey Drew,

Sorry about that – we had a bug in our 'Related posts' WordPress plugin. We've sorted it out now.

Best,
Ryan

]]> By: ryancarson http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-25836 ryancarson Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:54:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-25836 Hey Drew,Sorry about that - we had a bug in our 'Related posts' WordPress plugin. We've sorted it out now.Best,Ryan Hey Drew,Sorry about that – we had a bug in our 'Related posts' WordPress plugin. We've sorted it out now.Best,Ryan

]]> By: drew_reece http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7773 drew_reece Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:17:30 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7773 Another problem is when CMS's break, your site ends up displaying junk like…<br><br>Warning: include(/home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/themes/freshnews/) [function.include]: failed to open stream: Success in /home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/magic.php on line 300 Another problem is when CMS's break, your site ends up displaying junk like…

Warning: include(/home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/themes/freshnews/) [function.include]: failed to open stream: Success in /home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/magic.php on line 300

]]> By: drew_reece http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-25835 drew_reece Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:17:00 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-25835 Another problem is when CMS's break, your site ends up displaying junk like…Warning: include(/home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/themes/freshnews/) [function.include]: failed to open stream: Success in /home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/magic.php on line 300 Another problem is when CMS's break, your site ends up displaying junk like…Warning: include(/home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/themes/freshnews/) [function.include]: failed to open stream: Success in /home/carsonified/gitapps/thinkvitamin/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-related-posts-plugin/magic.php on line 300

]]> By: Acai Berry scams http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7772 Acai Berry scams Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:38:13 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7772 I think any rational people does that. I think any rational people does that.

]]> By: Acai Berry http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7771 Acai Berry Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:45:08 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7771 It is important that you understand the impact of each beginning with the cost of training. It is important that you understand the impact of each beginning with the cost of training.

]]> By: Valics Lehel http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7770 Valics Lehel Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:58:25 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7770 We have our own CMS tool, is not perfect, not overcomplicated, but is HTML based, templates are small parts (with 2 main template) and small parts of other HTML files. We do not use at all in HTML code any custom code what can change the design in a visual editor, so if you edit your templates, you can see in visual editor 100%. I think for us will be a nightmare to use a CMS what is hard to design. A good HTML designer, without ANY coding experience, can design it like he want. We have our own CMS tool, is not perfect, not overcomplicated, but is HTML based, templates are small parts (with 2 main template) and small parts of other HTML files. We do not use at all in HTML code any custom code what can change the design in a visual editor, so if you edit your templates, you can see in visual editor 100%. I think for us will be a nightmare to use a CMS what is hard to design. A good HTML designer, without ANY coding experience, can design it like he want.

]]> By: Brandon Hansen http://thinkvitamin.com/web-industry/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7769 Brandon Hansen Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:57:47 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7769 @Valics Lehel<br>I agree completely. I have found that Drupal is much more difficult to design for than say, Wordpress (or a CMS that I wrote that is used internally). A CMS that has everything possible built in is a lot more difficult to design for because you have to have extremely thought out stylesheets and markup. But it can be rewarding. @Valics Lehel
I agree completely. I have found that Drupal is much more difficult to design for than say, WordPress (or a CMS that I wrote that is used internally). A CMS that has everything possible built in is a lot more difficult to design for because you have to have extremely thought out stylesheets and markup. But it can be rewarding.

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