Comments on: Introducing Atlas: A Visual Development Tool for Creating Web Apps http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/ The Web Practitioner's Blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jet http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-20641 Jet Fri, 14 May 2010 11:08:03 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-20641 For some of us, that sort of verbosity makes the language easy to understand, and fun to use. YMMV. Cappuccino brought exactly what we love about objective-c and cocoa to javascript. That was the point. If you don't like that, that's understandable, but that's also contrary to the design goals. If you don't like the status quo of cocoa-style programming, you're barking up the wrong tree with cappuccino. You sound like something along the lines of SproutCore would be more up your alley. For some of us, that sort of verbosity makes the language easy to understand, and fun to use. YMMV. Cappuccino brought exactly what we love about objective-c and cocoa to javascript. That was the point. If you don’t like that, that’s understandable, but that’s also contrary to the design goals. If you don’t like the status quo of cocoa-style programming, you’re barking up the wrong tree with cappuccino.

You sound like something along the lines of SproutCore would be more up your alley.

]]> By: Tim http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-16601 Tim Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:07:44 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-16601 Looks like delphi a decade ago, only with obj c. No thank you! Looks like delphi a decade ago, only with obj c. No thank you!

]]> By: Zimok http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-16046 Zimok Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:58:16 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-16046 Whops. Didn't see that. Hoping price woun't raise up. Whops. Didn’t see that.
Hoping price woun’t raise up.

]]> By: Grant http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15672 Grant Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:21:17 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15672 This looks absolutely brilliant! But another reason why web apps haven't taken over is because a lot of people don't have constant access to high speed broadband, and need desktop apps to do a lot of the work. Once this issue is resolved, then web apps will really take off - but good to see this can do desktop as well as web app development. This looks absolutely brilliant! But another reason why web apps haven’t taken over is because a lot of people don’t have constant access to high speed broadband, and need desktop apps to do a lot of the work. Once this issue is resolved, then web apps will really take off – but good to see this can do desktop as well as web app development.

]]> By: Rob Cameron http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15651 Rob Cameron Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:48:29 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15651 280 North is making some really cool stuff, but I don't know why they took Javascript and just made it look like another language (Objective-C). Why not just make a great toolset for Javascript and keep it pure, rather than trying to turn it into another language? Coming from a design background with HTML/CSS/Javascript, and the server side with Ruby, I find Objective-C to be ridiculously verbose and not fun to code in at all, which has been my big barrier to writing Mac apps (c'mon MacRuby!). Cappuccino just puts that same barrier in front of web development as well. :( 280 North is making some really cool stuff, but I don’t know why they took Javascript and just made it look like another language (Objective-C). Why not just make a great toolset for Javascript and keep it pure, rather than trying to turn it into another language?

Coming from a design background with HTML/CSS/Javascript, and the server side with Ruby, I find Objective-C to be ridiculously verbose and not fun to code in at all, which has been my big barrier to writing Mac apps (c’mon MacRuby!). Cappuccino just puts that same barrier in front of web development as well. :(

]]> By: Francisco Tolmasky http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15644 Francisco Tolmasky Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:01:14 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15644 I did use 280 Slides for my slide show, that's why I was using the PlainView full screen browser (which decided to do an update check in the middle of the presentation as you can see: http://www.barbariangroup.com/software/plainview). I find it amazing that I really have to explicitly state this every time or people don't notice. A function of having done a good job I guess. I did use 280 Slides for my slide show, that’s why I was using the PlainView full screen browser (which decided to do an update check in the middle of the presentation as you can see: http://www.barbariangroup.com/software/plainview). I find it amazing that I really have to explicitly state this every time or people don’t notice. A function of having done a good job I guess.

]]> By: jonathanstark http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15637 jonathanstark Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:17:56 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15637 Atlas looks sick, and I'm signing up. But, did anyone else find it odd that Francisco didn't use 280 Slides for his slideshow? ;) Atlas looks sick, and I’m signing up. But, did anyone else find it odd that Francisco didn’t use 280 Slides for his slideshow? ;)

]]> By: Vivek Singh http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15635 Vivek Singh Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:11:06 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15635 Hi, please tell me the to get that tool its really awesome. Hi,

please tell me the to get that tool its really awesome.

]]> By: Chris Ryland http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15633 Chris Ryland Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:22:37 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15633 It's too late, but you might want to set the barrier to beta a bit higher to avoid all the pure tire kickers... It’s too late, but you might want to set the barrier to beta a bit higher to avoid all the pure tire kickers…

]]> By: Antonio Salazar Cardozo http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15629 Antonio Salazar Cardozo Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:20:37 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15629 They're being very clear that $20 will be the cost of the beta, and that it is completely unrelated to the cost of the final product. They’re being very clear that $20 will be the cost of the beta, and that it is completely unrelated to the cost of the final product.

]]> By: Ross Boucher http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15628 Ross Boucher Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:08:25 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15628 @Zimok It's not selling for $20. The developer beta program has a $20 membership fee. @Zimok It’s not selling for $20. The developer beta program has a $20 membership fee.

]]> By: Nick Dima http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15621 Nick Dima Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:46:30 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15621 That's what I wanted to hear! You guys rock! That’s what I wanted to hear! You guys rock!

]]> By: Francisco Tolmasky http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15619 Francisco Tolmasky Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:10:58 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15619 They will run both in Mac and Windows They will run both in Mac and Windows

]]> By: Nick Dima http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15618 Nick Dima Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:47:33 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15618 Does anyone know if the desktop apps built with Atlas will run only on Mac OS X or also on Windows and Linux? Does anyone know if the desktop apps built with Atlas will run only on Mac OS X or also on Windows and Linux?

]]> By: Mark Edgington http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15615 Mark Edgington Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:08:19 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15615 The talk was excellent, the tool is brilliant, i cannot wait to get my hands on it. The talk was excellent, the tool is brilliant, i cannot wait to get my hands on it.

]]> By: Zimok http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15614 Zimok Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:37:06 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15614 I'm also surprised to see they are going to sellin' it at 20$. This is truly web 3.0. I’m also surprised to see they are going to sellin’ it at 20$.

This is truly web 3.0.

]]> By: Tiago Simões http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15613 Tiago Simões Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:35:49 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15613 oops, wrong link: http://www.outsystems.com/agile-platform oops, wrong link: http://www.outsystems.com/agile-platform

]]> By: Tiago Simões http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15612 Tiago Simões Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:33:46 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15612 This looks a bit like the Agile Platform: http://www.outsystems.com/demos/DemoScreen.aspx?Movie=OutSystems-Overview--Build-a-web-app-in-4-minutes! This looks a bit like the Agile Platform:

http://www.outsystems.com/demos/DemoScreen.aspx?Movie=OutSystems-Overview–Build-a-web-app-in-4-minutes!

]]> By: Johannes Fahrenkrug http://thinkvitamin.com/code/introducing-atlas-a-visual-development-tool-for-creating-web-apps/#comment-15611 Johannes Fahrenkrug Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:56:16 +0000 http://carsonified.com/?p=3464#comment-15611 Absolutely amazing. This is the coolest thing to come my way in a long time! Cappuccino itself is incredible and such a joy to work with already as it is, but with Atlas it's gonna take it to a whole new level. Thank you, 280 North guys! - Johannes Absolutely amazing. This is the coolest thing to come my way in a long time! Cappuccino itself is incredible and such a joy to work with already as it is, but with Atlas it’s gonna take it to a whole new level. Thank you, 280 North guys!

- Johannes

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